‘Correspondence in’ from the Upper Shoalhaven Landcare Council

Flood Creek Non-Nativist Landcare Group was recently formally granted affiliate status by the Upper-Shoalhaven Landcare Council (a district Landcare association). This affiliation provides us and other local Landcare groups in the Upper-Shoalhaven catchment with insurance for members and volunteers for all Landcare sites, projects and events. The need for coverage is an annoyance, but remains a necessary evil for most community groups like ours.

Regardless of this, we are delighted and consider affiliation as somewhat of a milestone, as it signifies the arrival of our group as a member of the Upper-Shoalhaven Landcare community. We look forward to interacting and sharing our learning experiences with our fellow Landcarers and others within the wider community in future.

See correspondence from the USLC below:

Hello Ben,

I am sending you this email subsequent to your phone call with Martin yesterday.

Further to our pervious email correspondence; the USLC Executive has considered the application from Flood Creek Non-Nativist Landcare Group (FCNNLG) for affiliation with USLC to ensure your members and other community volunteers are covered by the Landcare insurance policy when conducting upcoming Landcare activities. I am please to advise that the USLC has approved your request for affiliation and, as you point out, is in the fortunate position of being adequately funded by SELLS to provide such support to FCNNLG, along with the broader Landcare community in this USLC region.

The USLC has made this decision after consultation with members of the BULG Executive to ensure there is no current perception of conflict with geographic coverage of Landcare activities on the Flood Creek area with the establishment of your FCNNLG. The USLC also would have appreciated the opportunity to better understand the planned strategies and projects to be undertaken by FCNNLG as part of its consideration of your request. This has not been possible at this time or this week and so we look forward to the opportunity to discuss them with you and other members of your group at an appropriate time early in 2015. To that end, we are planning a follow up to the excellent work of Su Wild River and the USLC Committee members at the Xmas in July (2014) Workshop to bring Landcare Group representatives together early in 2015 to further investigate the issues, opportunities and projects USLC should be undertaking ourselves and/or supporting with Landcare group members. We would like to think that as an affiliated member of USLC the FCNNLG will be able to attend and participate in that next phase of this work that facilitates the “bottom-up” community based approach to Landcare work we all favour.

The USLC Temporary Landcare Support Officer Su Wild River will be in touch as soon as practical to confirm details of the FCNNLG affiliation with USLC.


Martin and Colin on behalf of the USLC

11 responses to “‘Correspondence in’ from the Upper Shoalhaven Landcare Council

  1. Lets do away with this representative stuff. This is a direct advocacy, member driven, grass roots organization. I neither want nor trust that anybody, or any office process, will accurately represent/reflect my views, across the range of subjects/issues likely to be encountered. Funding is to facilitate inclusion; the members do the rest. Flood Creek needs a slice of the funding action. Not everybody wants or needs to vote on every question, but it is important to have the opportunity to develop the question.
    FCNNLC membership is built on this inter-active sight.

    Occupy Flood Creek .

  2. Funding for international soil day, feb 20th in international soil year 2015, could be discussed right here. I propose at least one activity be informed by discussions taken place on this open forum. My preference would be for development of a craft timber theme. See PM contribution.
    Acknowledging Henry Kendall’s role as first forestry inspector, BellBirds and Araluen, or the disappearance of the Cedars are rich heritage pickings. There is much to choose from that could build on discussions to date.

  3. ACK and agreed , Robbo , on both postings .

    I have Red Cedar , Bunya , Hoop Pine in pots , ready to plant .

    How about getting some school kids involved on 20/2 ?
    Woodwork class or Ag ?

    Would be nice to teach proper planting and maintenance techniques and give the kids a long term interest in ‘ their ‘ trees .



  4. I have an adult ed bent and my girl is all grown up. Hope someone will follow up the school connection. See Mulloon creek for great little soil science clip re soil day. Also sprukes forum in Canberra on about the 15th Feb..
    I am looking to co-opt the owner of a portable saw mill, not quite forest walk in, that could support a wood structure build demo; from tree to shelter house in a day. I have a knock down room/structure I load on a trailer, piece by structural piece, and take to festivals for various applications. Food, sound, light mixing. It is in my mind an alternative building structure that mimics an entry level one room house, raised floor, laminated beams into corner sockets; that could be financed by a bucket whip around in a bar, and put up the next morning. It started out life as a stand-in-water river boat shade house, evolved into a movable windbreak fence and now is looking for a new challenge. Working with green wood, like seal the moisture in!
    I would like to learn tree planting, for harvesting in next life. and hoop pine ply veneer peeling.

  5. Hi Robbo and Peter, this is all very good and interesting discussion. Yes, let’s look to have something happen on-ground Feb 20-21. Peter, your generous offer of planting material shows clearly what a district Landcare treasure you are. I’ll get on to Mick W and see if the BCS Ag class is likely to be able to get involved. I’m not sure if it’s likely at that time because school will have only just gone back, but it’s worth asking. Don’t know whether current Ag curriculum deals with farm forestry at all, could be a good opportunity for them. If not in Feb perhaps sometime in Autumn.

    We’ll have to firm up exact species and planting locations. Could we at least aim to plant a few pole-cuttings into the Crown Land section of Flood Creek?

    Robbo, I think you’re right, the “representational” hierarchy in Landcare is always going to be a bit dubious. I hope to do a future post which will spell out the existing structure in Landcare and NRM and how it functions (another one on the to do list!). The problem with representational hierarchies is that you seem to lose a little bit more of the grassroots diversity with every step “up” the chain. Eventually you get a very “lowest common denominator” or “small target” type of grassroots Landcare movement.

    But the important fact to remember is that Landcare doesn’t/can’t work as a “top-down” hierarchy. The “higher” and more abstracted levels of Landcare only exist to deliver a service to the grassroots. This turns any tension between, say, a district level Landcare association (DLA) and a local group (such as ours, for instance) into a somewhat ridiculous proposition. You can see how people might fall into the trap of thinking that as a district association there is a representational function and therefore, the district association has some kind of democratically bestowed power to “police” local Landcare on behalf of a theorised majority. But this is a completely erroneous assumption and misapprehension of the purpose of a DLA.

    Just in case other readers are interested, here’s the address for the Mullooon Creek page with the soils vid you mentioned Robbo: http://themullooninstitute.org/

    Alternately, here it is on you tube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqGKwWo60yE

    Cheers, Ben

  6. Mine dearest non-moderator, here I preempt your Landcare/NRM proposed toast.
    I think a district association is a great initiative. So long as it is just that;
    representing the interest of associated landcare groups. I f it has directly enrolled individual members they ought not vote on issues effecting other landcare groups; in other words there is a separate register of USLC groups that would vote on funding allocation to groups. Should there continue to be any. The support role offered to landcare groups by USLC association is either fully funded by the groups or is a discretionary direction by the funding body. I can see a joint secretariat/treasury role played by USLC association as quite beneficial. The importance and value placed on activities by particular Landcare groups is for each of them alone to decide.
    At the end of the day we are trying to avoid duplication without loss of independent thought and action.
    Individual members of USLC group not actively involved with a particular landcare group could offer their skills on a fee for service basis; negotiated between landcare groups and the individual concerned. The office role to evolve into a ‘rural micro sustainable enterprise incubator’; providing opportunity to legitimately seek funding external to LLS; and generally providing a distinctively different product to LLS> . Environmental emphasis and interpretation being the prerogative of individual landcare groups.


  7. Dear Ben and Rob ,

    Please do check with Mr Wall . Happy to do a demo arvo in Feb or autumn or anytime . The kids always enjoy learning the tools .

    Want to see Robbos knock down stage please .

    Just be warned , the planet needs some serious repair work , and now .

    Therefore we don’t do pole planting by the ‘ few ‘ , we do them by the ton . Its faster , more educational , more fun too .

    All Best


  8. A question , please ,for those who understand the Landcare world .

    The Flood Creek Project will have big benefits for the environment , including carbon fixing , filtering aerating and cooling creek water , stripping nutrients from the sewerage works effluent , wildlife habitat , flood mitigation etc

    It will also have many social and economic benefits from tourism , teaching , distribution of planting materials etc .

    Given its value and location one would think the Landcare administration would be very keen to kick in some monetary support .

    Word on the streets is that someone in the hiearchy has , impressively , got hold of a big sum of Gov funds . The incredible sum of $700,000 has been mentioned .

    Is this so ? What is NNLCs attitude to applying for , or not , investment in its developing of ecological services and social goods ?



    • Hi Peter, the sum you mention is in relation to the Upper-Shoalhaven Landcare Council’s “Biodiversity for Carbon and Corridors” project: http://www.uppershoalhavenlandcare.com.au/biodiversity/

      I had thought that offers of funding from this project were closed, but note that there seems to be an open call for expressions of interest on the webpage linked to above. I’d say our non-destructive reveg trials should be heartily supported, we’ll be boosting biodiversity in a big way and storing far more Carbon than traditionally-destructive reveg in willow stabilised creeks. Perhaps other work on the Common would get a look in too? I’ll email Felicity shortly and see what might be available.

  9. Where has all the energy gone, it got pretty exciting there for a while.
    Did we burn out?
    My energy of late was diverted to writing about an entry-level house, dubbed the Shelter Project. The next big step is to ‘work-shop’ it with interested others to see how and where a simple-build structure sits in a world of bullpooing progressive elitists, real-estate lobbyists and real needs.
    Also Noel Pearson’s holding to account of our Australian Radio National (public broadcaster) is worth some study. While addressing his indigenous peoples issue with RN he also provides an insight into how the forest has disappeared behind the ‘native’ trees.

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